Saturday, September 20, 2008
Jane's only vindicator?
The romance between the two grows steadily, according to Jane's perspective, yet when Rochester proposes, the reader feels rushed. Why the sudden need to marry her? Though Rochester's proclamations of true of love and what not are beautifully written, I couldn't help but feel as though all of this was quite sudden. Even Jane believes it to be a farce and challenges him! This is when we finally see that same passion from Jane we saw before in the Red Room; this is when Jane reiterates the importance of equality between the sexes that she has not seen from any of the males in this novel; this is when Rochester finally sees Jane—in all her passion and ardor and feminist beliefs. Finally Jane is reincarnated! Where has she been the entire novel?! After the episode in the Red Room it seemed as though she had nothing to challenge her thoughts and desires yet finally Rochester draws them out of her.
The one incident that truly drives me mad, however, is Rochester's deception. How dare he thrust marriage upon her when he has been deceiving her from the get-go? Of course after hearing his truly morally touching story and reasoning behind the imprisonment of his wife, we forgive him—and more importantly, so does Jane. He's lived a life he never deserved and only now, when he may have finally found his soul mate, is he trying to redefine it. We understand that and so does Jane.
And though all is forgiven between the lovers, Jane still feels the need to leave him. But how can we blame her? Is it so wrong that a woman should have pride in her principles? Jane believes in equality above any other right. When she was little she recognized the inequality between herself and John Reed and clearly the traumatizing childhood she had followed her through to adult hood and has made her the feminist she is now. Is it so wrong that when Rochester proclaims them as equals (page 294) and then tries slyly to convince Jane into becoming his mistress that she leaves? And though she may be wasting her only shot at true love, I think she recognizes that if she does not leave, she will never be Rochester's equal.
I love the idea of Rochester and Jane falling madly in love and running away from society's scorn; I love how perfectly their personalities clash and meld together; I love how finally, after so many chapters with Jane never truly finding another being that can equal her wit and genius, she finds her match. But to be honest, I love Jane's character more than the idea of this forlorn romance and I think Jane loves herself more as well.
Friday, September 19, 2008
In Total Defence of Mr. Rochester
Jane,
What are you thinking sweetie? It is more evil and wicked to destroy a man and yourself by denying yourselves of this wonderful gift. Two people, placed on the earth, made perfect for one another - you each bring out the best in each other - AND YOU FOUND HIM! Why give him away so quickly? To meet the standards of the society you live in? You, Jane? How do you have any right to claim convention? You, oh passionate rebel, wholly against this societal convention? "The more solitary, the more friendless, the more unsustained I am, the more I will respect myself." Pish posh. You will HATE yourself. You already do! What good is life if it is not filled with the joy of friends? What good is sorrow if you cannot have happiness? Why are you afraid to indulge yourself that will commit no transgression? How can you not trust Rochester's overwhelming love for you? Can you not register that he has searched long and hard for a soul as beautiful, stubborn, "at once so frail and so indomitable." You, Jane, have suffered quite differently than Rochester. Be grateful you were not tricked into false love! Give thanks that you laid your eyes upon the love of your life so early on! Forget rules Jane! For you know they will have horrible consequence in this life, and will bring regret in the next! Remember me, from so long ago? Remember how you embraced me, this powerful feeling? Please, don't let me leave you. I complete your character!
Sincerely,
Passion
Okay, that was random....
Anyways
I sincerely hope Bertha is actually mad. For I will have to take back every friggin' thing I said in defence of Rochester if she is simply a raging, sexual alcoholic! Notorious for sleeping around? The cure for loneliness heavy liquor!? Madness? HELLO. THAT DOES NOT JIVE! I thought she was schitzo and had these voices and imaginary people running through her mind, telling her to do specific things, and haunting her, and since she rarely has human contact other than Grace, her imagination just ran wild and scary! Hmm. If she is strickly sticking up for her female rights, boo you Rochester. boo you society. Screw you Edward, for having three mistresses and locking up your WIFE for having one-night stands. Die and burn.
Whatever. It hasn't been established yet, so, I still think Jane and Rochester should go make some sweet sweet sandwiches. (F.O.C.)
Chap. 26-28
It was obvious from the start they would never end up married, but I was still surprised at what happened. I thought it would be something worse, something that Rochester had done that had hurt someone. Yes, he doesn't treat Bertha too well, but that marriage was not entirely his fault, and there was much less knowledge and acceptance of mental illness' then. In this section I noticed that every time a major shift came, the weather changed accordingly.There is also much fire and ice, black and red, enclosure, and passion throughout. I have been surprised by how many references there are to the Bible, and people still thought this book was anti-Christian. What would a very religious book be like? It was also interesting how Bertha, who I assume is responsible for the mysterious laughs, was described as a "hyena" (p. 338), with their chilling cackles.
indies
I am begining to enjoy this novel a little more, but it is still hard to read while you're in bed...late at night...after a long day...fighting to stay awake and underline and denote...
Poor Rochester
On another note, i was completely thrown for a loop when it was revealed that Rochester's first wife went made and is living in the attic. I was so sure that Grace Pole was some homicidal maniac. I kinda feel bad for Rochester, I mean if you put yourself in his place it would kind of suck. Your first wife turn in a homicidal maniac that tries to kill you, and then further prevents you from marrying the love of your life. Poor Rochester was tricked into this marriage without knowing of the madness that runs in the family. I just feel bad for him.
Jane vs. Rochester
What's up with Mr. Eyre. All of the sudden we hear that he has been connected to the Rochester, and Mason families through wealth and what not. Why didn't Jane grow up with him? Why doesn't she go seek him out?? She seems to have no motivation to find anything out about her family history. If I was her that would be right where I would head when I left Thornfield. Yet, the thought doesn't even cross her mind. What a dumb, ignorant girl. She's really dropped a lot of pegs in my view because of her last few decisions. I mean what a bitch; leaving poor Rochester to suffer. Of course she may think that she will just turn into another one of his mistresses but I believe that isn't the case. Rochester was extremely infatuated with her, and expressed feelings that just glow with love. My conclusion is that Jane is mental also.
Thursday, September 18, 2008
Oh Snap
Finally this book seems to be coming more and more intriguing!
Speaking of preceding, I feel like something is going on with Grace Pool. She certainly is a freak show, but like that she is a “chamber-door…groping” weirdo. She keeps things interesting. The thing that trips me up, is that she always appears after Jane starts like being horny. That might sound weird, and this is a wild guess but I think that there might be something to that. Right after Jane pronounces that women need to “exercise for their faculties” she hears Grace Pool’s “eccentric murmurs”. I feel like she has to do with a sort of love triangle with Rochester included. I feel like Jane thinks that Grace Pool might have been banging Rochester because she is investigating her beauty and she says that she never was pretty and I think that there might be something to that. Rochester likes Jane and she is not pretty. Maybe he likes ugly chicks. It is like a womanly, lunacy, horny, catty thing going on. That is why I think that she lit Rochester’s bed on fire. Maybe she is jealous. I don’t know. Just a guess. I really want to know what is up with her. She is a freak.
Also one thing that I found interesting is the way that Jane is watching the relationship between Rochester and Miss Ingram. It is kind of like the story that Rochester told. When he is watching Celine and her lover, he “drew the curtain” and watched from behind the window. Jane does the same thing. She sits in the corner of the room and watches Rochester and Miss Ingram. In Rochester’s story, he jumps out from behind the curtain and cuts off the affair and the next day he found the guys she was with and “left a bullet in one of his poor etiolated arms”. I want there to be a parallel there too. I want Jane to burst out from behind the curtain and shoot Miss Ingram. Figuratively speaking. Jane has got to get Rochester in the end. She will.
Grace Poole...WHAT!
Kenya ruined it for me!
un-socialized girl almost marries a two timing jerk that wasn't even man enough to divorce his insane wife. But what I wonder is why didn't he just get rid of her. Like Henry VIII just separated from the Catholic Church. I doubt Rochester divorcing her would have that great of repercussions. She is probably crazy enough she might even know she was married. It does make you wonder what will happen to Jane. Will she go crazy. Does Rochester caste some type of hex on all his wives. Jane could be the next one in the Coo-Coo's nest. If I've got the facts wrong it's because I am just replying to my shock of Kenya's post so I may have to correct this in a later post.
Reversing to Love.
Wednesday, September 17, 2008
Not What We Thought
Rush of Feelings
Unfolding Story Lines
I wonder if Jane feels betrayed or loved by her uncle? He is a man she has never known but always heard of. His love comes through when he “implored Mr. Mason to lose no time in taking steps to prevent the false marriage” (340). I wonder when Mason came to the house before if he knew of the connection of Mr. Eyre and Jane. This strange relative that has played a mysterious role in the background of Jane’s life is slowly becoming more clear. As the last ten pages unfolded the entire story of what we have been reading and wondering, there is still this one missing piece. Will Jane finallu persue this small portion of her own reality she has left?
Holy Canoli
I think I am a chapter ahead....
Ch. 24-25 response
Proposals
Now Wait A Minute
I'm not quite sure what the beast is supposed to mean in the whole scheme of everything. I'm really not sure why it's a woman and what more she can do in the novel besides bite people and be Rochester's first wife. In saying that, if Rochester truly does love Jane, why doesn't he divorce the werewolf (I think beastly tendencies are reason enough for a divorce at that time period) and then commence with his marriage to Jane?
And who is this uncle and where the hell is he (sick I know but in the larger scheme he could have gotten to the manor quicker)...how did he find out about the marriage, how does he know Mason...what is going on there...
It seems like this was a good climactic point, but there are still a number of pages left to be read...so fortunately I'll have some questions answered at some point...right?
The tree of life, dead... (DON'T READ IF YOU ARE NOT AHEAD OF PAGE 330!)
The most disturbing part of the entire chapter is indeed Rochester's blantant disregard. No doubt he is hiding something. Could he possibly know exactly what this creature is? If so, how can we trust Rochester now? I am confussed, mystified, and still curious!
So, we go off to the church with the happy couple. (Jane is infurating me by this point, hwo she shows barely any affection towards Rochester, and how Mrs. Rochester is a woman not borne yet. I wanted to slap her. She will not be a different person after matrimony. Compelled with passion and love that simply entices her character, but no, she will not miraculously change to another person. Whatever)
Anyways, these strange people are at the church, and I immediatly knew it was a sign of trouble, because nothing terrible happened in the last chapter. Worried and over stimulated, I sort of just scanned the entire ceremony up until the words seeps from the page and I could just hear that horrid voice yell: "this wedding cannot proceed" (Those probably aren't the correct words....) And Mr. Mason steps out of the shadows, and instantly I replay Rochester's voice saying: "His tongue will be my downfall. He will hurt me accidentally." Well, this betrayal didn't seem like too much of an accident. It seemed pretty blunt.
AND WHAT OF THIS? rOCHESTER? PREVIOUSLY MARRIED? Immediatly my mind jumped to Grace, and I was sooooooooooo confused. What did poor Rochester do to poor grace to make her go mad? ah, but this is only a fraction of my curiosity, so I read dilligently!.
Werepire indeed. Bertha freaky Mason......oh she creeps me out. The poor woman! Why does Mr. Rochester hate her if he is not angered by her madness? Oh, this story just becomes more bizzarre every moment!
The tree that split in two, I was so worried it would foreshadow Jane & Edward's relationship. Yet, I was wrong again. It is symbolic solely of Edward's and Bertha's marriage. Living together with an ounce of life, for who can call being locked up in a room all day living? Yet blackened and burnt by a horrible storm - madness, lightning, rage, natures' powerful wrath..... And finally never able to mend itself because there is no love left in the two halves. (may i remind you that Jane is the one who made all of these observations?) Oh, the sad turn of events. Yet, strangely, I am more mad at Jane than Mr. Rochester..... Maybe my views will quickly change!
Tuesday, September 16, 2008
jeez
bashful
Cradle Robbing
Oh no they didn't!
I also noticed the use of the word 'efface' at the end of this chapter and my mind instantly flashed to when Jane and R first meet. Rochester's bold entrance with his clammering horse "efface[s] the soft wave-wanderings" and Jane's peace with nature. Perhaps this is simply coincidence, or Bronte is purposely trying to bring the reader back to their original meeting.
On page 294, I get a flash of female inferiority in this book. Although I like to think that R is so madly in love with Jane that he simply must her Jane accept his proposal, I can't help but notice his quest for possession of Jane. He asks Jane, "I must have you for my own - entirely my own. Will you be mine?" Although this is his quest for Janes confession of love, his male 'superiority' also seems to come into play.
When Jane goes off on Rochester, exclaiming why she must go, I am reminded of her encounter with Mrs. Reed when she first leaves Gateshead. Her "passion" is unveiled and she exclaimes that although she may be "poor, obscure, plain, and little", she is NOT "soulless and heartless". I'm glad she finally tells Rochester that she can't just sit by and watch R and Ingram live "happily ever after"
When Jane goes off on Rochester, exclaiming why she must go, I am reminded of her encounter with Mrs. Reed when she first leaves Gateshead. Her "passion" is unveiled and she exclaimes that although she may be "poor, obscure, plain, and little", she is NOT "soulless and heartless". I'm glad she finally tells Rochester that she can't just sit by and watch R and Ingram live "happily ever after". Her reaction to Rochester's request is surprising but also empowering. Instead of destroying everything she stands for and simply falling for him, she sticks up for herself and recognizes that she must be treated as an "equal". She realizes that although she doesn't have the class and rank that R and Ingram have, she is "better than [Rochester]". Which is true. She knows what she wants and is willing to go against society and old ways if it is necessary. Rochester is the one who is willing to do something that doesn't truly fit his heart(marry Ingram), and that is what ultimately makes Jane superior, despite everything else.
When reading, I was reminded of the notion of gameplaying, as we discussed in class. We've seen games earlier in this book, and I am often forced to question Rochester's true motives. For he probably doesn't even recognize his true motives. Jane quotes "you play a farce, which I merely laugh at." She has her guard up, for so many times Rochester has yanked on her heart. This is smart of her, but still doesn't fit with the fairy tale ending. Not that Charlotte Bronte would really write a Cinderella story. Gothic novels don't fit with enchanted romances...
ghosts
My view on Mr. Rochester
Language
Always Lovers
Yea
OMG Ch. 23
Bronte has woven many secrets and elements into the story that are yet to be revealed. One thing I don't really like is how when we see the story from Jane's eyes (first person), there are many things hidden from us, as opposed to an omnipresent story, which I tend to like better. But this view is also very important to the novel and keeps us turning pages, if we knew too much, why read any further? It is good to read a variety of novels with a variety of viewpoints, as it helps you expand your mind and understand other texts better.
THE TREE
Gypsy
Excitement at Thornfield!
Between all the symbolism and foreshadowing related to the color red, images of light and dark, fire and ice, enclosure, and reversal of stereotypical gender roles, practically every scene can be somewhat predicted or estimated. For example, Jane feels safe when she is enclosed and therefore in those scenes, usually all is well. At the beginning of the book, she's behind the curtain at Gateshead reading and is protected from her mean cousins; this provides a "safe" symbol that constantly reappears.
Although purple is not one of the dominant symbols (yet, or so I've been told) in this book, I believe it's quite significant and will become even more so soon. The first time we see this color is when we first see Blanche getting out of the carriage at Thornfield and she's wearing a "purple riding habit" (page 193). The footnote for this odd phrase reads: "imperial purple emblematically implies worldliness, caste and pride." In this context, it makes sense. Miss Ingram is arriving at the party and Bronte wants her to look above the others, haughty and high class. The appearance of it again at the beginning of chapter 23 doesn't fit quite right though. Jane describes the sky as " a solemn purple" with bits of red in it immediately preceding her meeting with Rochester in the garden. Even though I know it's no coincidence Bronte chose this color to lead up to Rocheseter's marriage proposal scene but it's a little curious as to what is to come and what exactly that small snippet means.
RoChEsTeR GeTtIN It?
***SPOILER*** Grace Poole's Job
Sparks?!?
Old Blog
Janes Acceptance and Her Mood Following
What she thought she wanted
nah emma mary
Jane Eyre: Chapter 22 & 23
Moreover, the proposal to Jane in chapter XXIII came as no surprise. Charlotte Bronte achieved successfully setting us up for this event. However, one thing that I did find strange was Mr. Rochester's proposal to transport Jane to Ireland, to live with a family of five. I take this as another one of his tests, his way of questioning Jane's love. He wouldn't want to put himself out there by asking for her hand to be shut down. He wanted this to answer his questions to whether or not Jane had feelings for him. Which was answered when she burst out in tears and replied that she was afraid of the distance, being so far away from Thornfeild Hall, Adele and last but not least from him. In addition to this, upon asking for her in marriage, she questioned him. Which threw me for a curve ball. I was lost in her confusion. At first it seemed as if she was going to refuse the offer, and leave Mr. Rochester unsatisfied. However, when she finally accepted the request, I felt relief.
During this scene, my mind was bouncing off of many different ideas. With every word I questioned another future for Jane. If she were to say no, what would she do? She would go on her way to Ireland to work for the family, but then she would have to come back to him at one point. If she was to say yes (which she did), would she and Mr. Rochester live together happily, or is there yet another mystery to take place. Also, what if Mr. Rochester was to be joined with Ms. Ingram, what would take place the night prior to the wedding between Jane and him. Thus, when I finally did get her answer, questions were still left unanswered. I hope that the chapters to come convey as much mystery and excitement as these two chapters did. Yeah! :)
Love at last
Dark vs. Light
This novel presents the key to a woman's heart...
I can't imagine how happy Jane must be after her greatest dream comes true. Such a conversion could be compared to a person isolated for the first 20 years of her life in a small dark room, then being allowed to roam the world and experience the miracles of life first hand. This thought is reminiscent of transcendentalism and Emerson's ideas of preserving innocence in order to appreciate things to the fullest.
"If the stars should appear but one night every thousand years how man would marvel and stare." -Ralph Waldo Emerson
Jane finally saw the stars. (I'm happy for her.)
Poole
Grace Who??
Marriage is fo' fools
I knew it
Response
Mrs Reed is dead. What a beautiful sentence to write. Last night as I read this, a since of happiness overcame me that has yet to happen while reading this novel. Poor Jane, everything just sucks for her. Her parents died, she if forced into awful school, what a horrible life. Luckily the death of the old women signals a change for Jane. When Mrs. Reed died, Jane was able to let go of a lot of negativity in her life. Although Mrs. Reed confessed to Jane that she told her Uncle that Jane died, I believe Jane somewhat came to peace with her old Aunt. I hope that Jane finds her family. But really, who is Grace Pole? And where is she all day? What does she do? And most importantly, where do the things she sows everyday go? It bothers me how Bronte can just pretend that these important characters out of the picture for a while. Although it could all be part of the greater picture. But also, are they getting married? I find it hard to believe personally. Although like I said before, with the death of Mrs. Reed Jane’s life seems to be going for the better, so this could be one of those things. Altogether, this book frustrates me so much. I just want to know about grace Pole. It’s all I can think about. Grace Pole. Who is Grace Pole?
As it drags on
Marry Me?
In the garden...
This chapter was a very interesting chapter. Going into the chapter I had a strong feeling that Rochester was going to ask her to marry him, but i'm still not sure if it was a good idea. One thing I noticed in this chapter is the use of many new colors. He talks about red, pinks, purples, blues, greens, and of course our usual black and white. They also have this entire discussion under the moonlight, which represents females. I feel that Jane is gaining for power and now with her wedding Rochester things may get very interesting. The reading is getting much easier and i'm excited to see what ends up happening.
Not Surprised
Up 2 23
Jane cant get no S ATISFACTION
The sun and moon meet...
I also noticed the use of the word 'efface' at the end of this chapter and my mind instantly flashed to when Jane and R first meet. Rochester's bold entrance with his clammering horse "efface[s] the soft wave-wanderings" and Jane's peace with nature. Perhaps this is simply coincidence, or Bronte is purposely trying to bring the reader back to their original meeting.
On page 294, I get a flash of female inferiority in this book. Although I like to think that R is so madly in love with Jane that he simply must her Jane accept his proposal, I can't help but notice his quest for possession of Jane. He asks Jane, "I must have you for my own - entirely my own. Will you be mine?" Although this is his quest for Janes confession of love, his male 'superiority' also seems to come into play.
When Jane goes off on Rochester, exclaiming why she must go, I am reminded of her encounter with Mrs. Reed when she first leaves Gateshead. Her "passion" is unveiled and she exclaimes that although she may be "poor, obscure, plain, and little", she is NOT "soulless and heartless". I'm glad she finally tells Rochester that she can't just sit by and watch R and Ingram live "happily ever after". Her reaction to Rochester's request is surprising but also empowering. Instead of destroying everything she stands for and simply falling for him, she sticks up for herself and recognizes that she must be treated as an "equal". She realizes that although she doesn't have the class and rank that R and Ingram have, she is "better than [Rochester]". Which is true. She knows what she wants and is willing to go against society and old ways if it is necessary. Rochester is the one who is willing to do something that doesn't truly fit his heart(marry Ingram), and that is what ultimately makes Jane superior, despite everything else.
When reading, I was reminded of the notion of gameplaying, as we discussed in class. We've seen games earlier in this book, and I am often forced to question Rochester's true motives. For he probably doesn't even recognize his true motives. Jane quotes "you play a farce, which I merely laugh at." She has her guard up, for so many times Rochester has yanked on her heart. This is smart of her, but still doesn't fit with the fairy tale ending. Not that Charlotte Bronte would really write a Cinderella story. Gothic novels don't fit with enchanted romances...
Josh's Analysis Through Chapter 23
Shadows in the Dark
WTF Mate!
Once Jane and Edward have agreed upon marriage, Edward offers Jane jewels, dresses, etc. etc. Jane refuses. This is badass. It clearly shows Bronte's dislike towards the upper class. She intends to have Jane stay plain, perhaps bringing Rochester down to a lower class. Bronte is obviously making a statement about class and caste. Once again she leaves us in the dark though and does not completely reveal her intentions.
Rochester pisses me off.
Marriage????!!!!!!
Is it true Love?????
Short Thoughts...
predictable....
Chapter 23
The tree they are sitting under, after they become engaged, that is split in two by the lightning is very important to how the next few chapters will play out.
Time and again, Rochester references some hidden "sin" that he has committed, and, as we find out in chapter 23, he believes he has "atoned" for it by marrying Jane. I have read ahead, and I am currently past chapter 26, and as the rest of you will find out, he has only made his "sin" 10 times worse.
Grace Poole
Symbolism?
Now, symbolism. At the end of the chapter, Jane is told that the tree under which she and Rochester were sitting the night before, had been struck by lightning and was split in two. Could this be a symbol of what is to come for Jane and Edward Rochester? Maybe the two of them will end up splitting up?...